List of major characters in a Song of Ice and Fire who have encouraged, allowed, committed or intended to commit the murder of a child or children (for the purposes of this post, a child is anyone under the age of sixteen):
- Eddard Stark
- Catelyn Stark
- Arya Stark
- Hoster Tully*
- Tywin Lannister
- Cersei Lannister
- Jaime Lannister
- Sandor Clegane
- Stannis Baratheon
- Roose Bolton
- Ramsay Bolton
- Doran Martell*
- Arianne Martell*
- Obara Sand*
- Nymeria Sand
- Tyene Sand*
- Margaery Tyrell
- Olenna Redwyne
- Petyr Baelish
So I mean…if Theons evil for that then…
(Note: Names with * are characters that have not explicitly stated their desire to kill children but their desire to is heavily implied, OR whether or not the victim was actually a child or not is questionable)
And almost everyone on this list is more popular than Theon.
so, I made an account on westeros.org cause I have been reading theon arguments on there for months and I couldn’t stand it anymore. so I started argueing! and woa! dear god! the things people blame theon off! the newest ridiculous thing is that theon was apparently responsible for all of ramsay’s actions in winterfell because he let him go!
seriously read it (and come and join if you feel like it) on here : http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/63539-what-is-the-opinion-of-this-good-forums-people-regarding-theon-greyjoy/page-20
Westeros.org is just full of shit. :/ They (well, many) praise people like Tywin, Victarion, Littlefinger or Roose (I don’t care if someone likes them, btw), but hate Theon, Sansa, Catelyn and Dany. It’s frustrating, this thread in particular.
entirely self-serving meme because i love fancasting and using stock screencaps and footage to portray scenes not included in current material. this isn’t fandom-specific although i’ll be doing it for game of thrones.eleven existing characters’ younger versions (as teenagers, students, etc)
ten existing characters’ older versions (what you imagine they look like in a couple of decades)
nine characters’ parents and/or family members who aren’t portrayed in the show/movie
eight alternate universe premises (ex. modern au, dark ages au, dystopia au, etc)
seven canon locations that have yet to be shown
six canon or headcanon backstory/flashback scenes
five canon historical figures (ex. aegon the conqueror for game of thrones, godric gryffindor for harry potter, etc)
four race-swapped characters
three gender-swapped characters
two canon legends/myths/lore
one character from another fandom if they existed in that world (ex. harry potter as a stark, samwise gamgee as a butler in downton abbey). lol, for kicks.
BONUS fancast yourself as a character in that world—yeah that’s right, a self-insert ;)
Do Snape defenders think James Potter tricked Lilly into falling in love with him and tricked her into having a child with him?
Uuuh, not that I know. I mean, I even know several “Snape defenders” who like Jily, soo…
batcii on why they hate snape (via herhmione)
Except that neither Snape nor Harry are representative of all abused children and that this sort of thinking is dismissing different personalities and natural coping skills and you know,.. basic psychology. I’ve worked with a lot of abused kids and they are more likely to behave like Snape than they are to behave like Harry. That doesn’t excuse his behavior and that’s not to say there aren’t some Harrys out there. But it’s a fact of life. This attitude toward abuse and the expectations some people have of how an abused person is supposed to react to any given situation is insensitive not to mention dangerous and that needs to be acknowledged.
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or simply are pro Snape then please like and/or reblog this!
I need a little less Snape negativity in my life.
No, it’s fine! I work really hard on my PTSD (I had therapists/psychiatrists for several years), but I still want to say something about bullying, whenever I think someone got something wrong (all those “somes”, lol).
I know that you wrote that James bullied and I’m glad that you acknowledge that, even if you love him. Yep, I agree with everything you’ve said right now. ^^
Thank you for this message!
What we know from the canon is next to nothing. But what we do know is that this idea that James was an arrogant bully who constantly strutted like a peacock is entirely against everything they say about him canonically in the books. People don’t love bullies. With the exception of Severus Snape, virtually everyone in the books has something good to say about James.
Well, I agree with some things you said, but… No. That’s absolutely not true, sorry. All the bullies I know were/are popular.They have people behind them, otherwise they wouldn’t even had the chance to bully someone. Very often, they are the most popular and loved kids in school.
You need (social) power to bully someone. And sometimes you have this power because you are loved (sometimes because you are feared, or whatever).
Yes, James wasn’t just arrogant and a bully, he had his qualities and he looked good.
But bullies aren’t necessarily monsters and they’re very common. In fact, most pupils were a part of bullying.
Yes, almost everyone has something good to say about James. But you can be on the good side and have many good traits and be an arrogant bully who constantly strutted like a peacock. Even Remus and Sirius said, he was kind of an idiot (they loved him either way; he was very funny, loyal and helpful).
But, of course, there’s more to him and many people write him as very flat. That’s true, sadly. Because we have to acknowledge that people who are capable of bullying are complex too. Otherwise we dismiss RL bullies, becaue we think they are “too kind” to everyone else.
You know, I kind of like James, but it was hard for me to understand and explain to people what happened to me, because some of my bullies were seen as truly kind, smart and cool kids. And that’s why I’m so thankful for this character. It’s much more realistic than many other bullies in fiction. They don’t always have to be the antagonist.
(I know that you’ve said yourself that he bullied, so the second part of this just shows that I agree with you on that, I guess ^-^).